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He says Once Saved, Always Saved is Garbage. Let's find out!

He says Once Saved, Always Saved is Garbage. Let's find out!

He says Once Saved, Always Saved is Garbage. Let's find out!

Section 1: Is the “Free Gift” Argument Vague or Dangerous?

Claim from Video:

The speaker mocks the idea that since salvation is a free gift, it therefore cannot be lost. He says this argument is “dumb,” vague, and a form of spiritual laziness that encourages sin and disregards holiness.

Rebuttal:

. The term “free gift” is not vague — it is God’s own language, used repeatedly in Scripture.

Romans 6:23 (KJV)

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

. A gift that is conditioned on performance is not a gift at all — it’s a contract or wage.

Romans 11:29 (KJV)

For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

. God’s gifts are irrevocable — He never takes them back once given.

. That includes the “gift of eternal life” — it is not temporary or probationary.

Philippians 1:6 (KJV)

Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

. Salvation is God’s work from beginning to end — not ours to maintain.

Clarification:

. Saying “you didn’t earn it, so you can’t lose it” is not illogical — it’s biblical (Ephesians 2:8–9).

. The fear that grace leads to lawlessness is refuted by Titus 2:11–12, which says grace teaches us to deny ungodliness.

Conclusion:

. The speaker creates a strawman version of grace and mocks it instead of addressing what the Bible actually teaches.

. God's gift of salvation is eternal, secure, and unearned — and that is what makes it truly amazing.

Section 2: Does John 3:36 Teach That Obedience Is Required to Keep Salvation?

Claim from Video:

The speaker quotes John 3:36 and says it proves salvation requires not only belief but also obedience. He argues that disobedience will cause someone to “not see life” and face the wrath of God, showing that faith alone is not enough to remain saved.

John 3:36 (KJV)

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Rebuttal:

. The KJV does not say “obey” — it says “believeth not,” from the Greek word apeitheō, which means “refuse to believe” or “be unpersuaded.”

. The contrast is between belief and unbelief — not belief versus performance.

. The word “believeth not” in Greek implies a willful rejection of Christ, not imperfect obedience after faith.

Greek Breakdown:

. “Believeth” — πιστεύων (*pisteuōn*) — present participle, “the one who is believing.”

. “Believeth not” — ἀπειθῶν (*apeithōn*) — used elsewhere for disobedience rooted in unbelief (Romans 10:21; Acts 14:2).

Supporting Scripture:

John 6:40 (KJV)

And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life...

. Jesus never added obedience as a condition to eternal life — He continually pointed to faith as the sole requirement (John 5:24; John 11:25–26).

Titus 3:5 (KJV)

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us...

. Salvation is not sustained by our righteousness — it is secured by God's mercy.

Conclusion:

. The speaker distorts the Greek word “apeithōn” to insert works where the Bible does not.

. John 3:36, in its true meaning, contrasts faith versus unbelief — not faith versus works.

. No Scripture teaches that disobedience cancels salvation — but many teach that unbelief prevents it.

Section 3: Does 1 Corinthians 15:1–2 Teach Conditional Salvation?

Claim from Video:

The speaker quotes 1 Corinthians 15:1–2 and claims Paul is warning believers that they must “hold fast” or else their belief was in vain. He argues this proves salvation is a process and that believers can lose it by not continuing in obedience.

1 Corinthians 15:1–2 (KJV)

1. Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2. By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

Rebuttal:

. Paul is not questioning their salvation status — he’s affirming the gospel that already saved them (v.1: “ye have received” and “ye stand”).

. The phrase “if ye keep in memory” does not imply a loss of salvation — it refers to remembering and holding firm to the **true gospel** (v.3–4: Christ died, was buried, and rose again).

Greek Note:

. “Keep in memory” = κατέχετε (*katechete*) — to hold fast, retain, or possess.

. This is about **persevering in truth**, not achieving or maintaining salvation by effort.

“Believed in vain” – What Does It Mean?

. Paul defines “vain belief” later in the chapter — it means believing the gospel **without the resurrection** (see v.14,17).

. If Christ did not rise, their faith was **useless** — not because they didn’t hold on, but because the object of faith would be false.

Cross-Reference:

2 Timothy 2:13 (KJV)

If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

. Even when believers waver in faith, Christ remains faithful to them — He cannot undo salvation because it would deny His own work.

Conclusion:

. 1 Corinthians 15:2 is not a threat of losing salvation — it’s a reminder that true salvation rests on the true gospel, not a distorted version.

. Paul’s purpose is to affirm the resurrection as the foundation of their hope, not to instill fear of losing justification.

Section 4: Does 2 Peter 2:20–22 Prove That Believers Can Lose Salvation?

Claim from Video:

The speaker quotes 2 Peter 2:20–22 and claims it proves that genuine Christians who had escaped sin can fall back into it, lose salvation, and be worse off than if they had never known the gospel. He mocks the idea that they were never saved and argues this passage proves salvation can be lost.

2 Peter 2:20–22 (KJV)

20. For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

21. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

22. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Rebuttal:

. This passage is not describing a saved person becoming unsaved — it describes a false convert who was never changed inwardly.

. Peter uses animal metaphors — “dog” and “sow” — to show their nature never changed. They were never sheep.

. Salvation transforms a person into a new creature (2 Corinthians 5:17). These individuals return to what they love — showing no true regeneration occurred.

Key Greek Word: “Knowledge” (ἐπίγνωσις – epignōsis)

. This word can refer to intellectual understanding or surface-level familiarity — not necessarily saving faith.

. Hebrews 10:26 also uses this same word (“knowledge of the truth”) in reference to apostates who heard the gospel but rejected it.

Cross Reference:

1 John 2:19 (KJV)

They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us...

. Peter's warning matches John's conclusion — falling away proves someone was never truly born again.

Final Clarification:

. Yes, these people “escaped” external sin by moral reform and intellectual belief.

. But they never received a new nature — that’s why they returned to the filth they were never freed from inwardly.

Conclusion:

. 2 Peter 2:20–22 does not contradict eternal security — it affirms it by showing that surface-level believers who fall away were never truly saved.

. They were dogs and pigs — not sheep who became lost.

. Salvation cannot be lost — but false conversions can be exposed.

Section 5: Do the Church Fathers Prove That Salvation Can Be Lost?

Claim from Video:

The speaker quotes early Church Fathers, specifically Justin Martyr and Tertullian, claiming they taught that salvation could be lost after baptism or faith. He argues that since they were closer to the apostles chronologically, their views prove that Once Saved Always Saved (OSAS) is a modern error.

Rebuttal:

. The Church Fathers are not inspired — Scripture is (2 Timothy 3:16).

. Church Fathers disagreed with each other frequently on major issues: baptismal regeneration, Mary, icons, church authority, etc.

. Citing the Church Fathers against OSAS is not decisive — many also believed in infant baptism, penance, and purgatory, which Protestants reject as unbiblical.

Galatians 1:8 (KJV)

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

. Truth is determined by **Scripture**, not proximity to the apostles or early consensus.

What Did Justin Martyr Actually Say?

. Justin Martyr was still influenced by Judaizing concepts and sacramentalism — he did not speak for the apostles or the New Testament church.

. Even if Justin warned that someone could fall away, that is not proof it actually happens — it reflects **early theological opinions**, not divine revelation.

What About Tertullian?

. Tertullian later embraced Montanism — a heretical sect known for extreme legalism and rejecting second repentance.

. He also rejected remarriage, taught unorthodox views of the Spirit, and exaggerated asceticism — his theology cannot be treated as authoritative.

Conclusion:

. The early Church Fathers were fallible men doing their best to interpret Scripture — but they are not the foundation of doctrine.

. The authority of the Word of God outweighs the opinions of uninspired churchmen.

. If any Church Father contradicts Romans 8, John 10, or Ephesians 1, then he is simply wrong.

. OSAS stands not on tradition — but on **infallible, inspired Scripture**.

Section 6: Does John 20 Teach That Salvation Can Be Lost and Recovered Through Confession?

Claim from Video:

The speaker claims that John 20 proves God gave the apostles the power to forgive sins and thereby restore someone to salvation after falling away. He appeals to this as the biblical foundation for the Catholic sacrament of reconciliation and insists it’s the way back after “losing salvation.”

John 20:22–23 (KJV)

22. And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

23. Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

Rebuttal:

. This verse affirms apostolic authority to proclaim the gospel — not a sacramental priesthood restoring lost salvation.

. Jesus is giving the apostles authority to **declare forgiveness**, not **create it** (see Luke 24:47, Acts 2:38).

. Nowhere in the New Testament is there any case of someone being “re-saved” through priestly confession after losing salvation.

Only God Forgives Sin:

Mark 2:7 (KJV)

Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?

. Forgiveness is always based on the finished work of Christ — not a sacramental system.

. Confession in 1 John 1:9 is directed to God — not a human priesthood.

1 John 1:9 (KJV)

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

. This verse promises ongoing fellowship and cleansing — not re-justification.

. John is writing to believers who are already saved — not to regain lost salvation, but to walk in the light.

Romans 8:1 (KJV)

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus...

. Once someone is in Christ, they are not under condemnation again — they don’t need to be re-justified repeatedly.

Conclusion:

. John 20 does not establish a sacrament to restore lost salvation — it authorizes gospel proclamation and the assurance of forgiveness to those who believe.

. True salvation is permanent. True fellowship can be broken — but is restored through confession to God, not through re-justification by a human system.

. Eternal security is not license to sin — but confidence in a perfect Savior who saves completely (Hebrews 7:25).

Section 7: Does Believing in Eternal Security Lead People to Hell?

Claim from Video:

The speaker closes by warning that OSAS is spiritually dangerous. He suggests that those who believe in eternal security might be “headed for hell and not even realize it.” He implies that trusting in God’s promises about eternal life removes the need for holiness, repentance, or obedience.

Rebuttal:

. This is an emotional appeal, not a biblical argument. It assumes people are saved by self-awareness, fear, or effort — not by Christ.

Romans 8:38–39 (KJV)

38. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers... shall be able to separate us from the love of God,

39. Which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

. Paul was confident — not worried — because the foundation of salvation is God’s love and grace, not human performance.

John 10:28–29 (KJV)

28. And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

. If salvation depends on human perseverance, this promise becomes meaningless.

. Jesus said no one (including ourselves) can undo God’s saving grip.

The Real Danger:

. The real spiritual danger is **adding human effort** to grace (Galatians 1:6–9; 3:3).

. False teachers preach a gospel of fear-based works — not assurance in Christ's finished work (Hebrews 10:14).

Hebrews 10:14 (KJV)

For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

. Perfected forever — not temporarily justified, then perpetually endangered.

1 John 5:13 (KJV)

These things have I written unto you... that ye may know that ye have eternal life...

. Assurance is biblical. Fear-based salvation is not.

Conclusion:

. Eternal security is not a loophole for sin — it is a reflection of God's unchanging promise to keep those who believe (John 6:39–40).

. The lie is not OSAS — the lie is that Christ’s blood is insufficient to save to the uttermost (Hebrews 7:25).

. We are not saved by perseverance — we are preserved because we are saved.

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  • Refuting The Myth of Once Saved, Always Saved
  • Debunking Keith Nester's Once Saved Always Saved